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Beautifully stated. The fourth aspect of our illness and thus, recovery. Moving *toward God (away from self) or *away from God (toward self). Our spiritual answer to becoming whole.
I could (and have) listen to Sandy for hours. He’s clever and succinct with his talks. Love that he shares his own experience and doesn’t just quote the basic text over and over. That gets old after awhile.
Sandy Beach is a treat to listen to;he’s a class act! I loved how he’s so clear and no-nonsense about whether we are moving towards God…or away from God. I think he’s right that even ONE LIE is very dangerous for us recovering alcoholics. My own experience has proved it. This is a perfect tape for any old-timer who may have fallen into the “good enough” hole. I’m grateful to have heard this today! Thank-you so much!
I was there and it was one of his deepest and yet subtlest talks ever. Loved the guy- miss him a lot…He define the Spiritual Malady as the idea that God isn’t necessary…which is deeper than- There is no God…a lot of things may change in AA- but let’s not lose the anchor! ???
I don’t think it’s fair or appropriate to edit out the true crux of the alcoholic’s condition – the spiritual malady. Newcomers have a right to be informed and “old timers” should not be withholding information.Sounds like an ego driven need for superiority.
Not for the newcomer. The spiritual malady needs to be presented after someone has a year or so of sobriety. Even then I would not have fully appreciated it. That required some ongoing step work – and Life – to fully embrace.
Thanks Philly, tags updated. I think my sponsor would agree with you on a fresh newcomer not being ready to wrap their head around an idea of a spiritual awakening process. The interesting part is in another tape, Sandy talks about how when he sponsors someone, he starts off right from the get-go that the steps provide a spiritual awakening – i forget his exact logic, but it was interesting. I believe the tape is titled “Back to the Basics of Awakening – part of the Spirituality Retreat he used to participate in.
Sandy is discussing how the ego rears its face in very ways. It tries to convince us we don’t need a God in our lives and how this thought affects the our sobriety.
i enjoy this speaker very much not only what he said but how he said it. thanks